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中国,12年民主和35年民主?

中国,12年民主和35年民主?

中国人民大学国际关系学院教授杨光斌近日接受《瞭望东方周刊》访问时列出政改时间表,称从现在算起,用5—8年时间,将行政体制改革做好;再用10年左右时间完善法制,再接下来大举推动和完善民主政治,这大概需要20年。杨光斌表示,中国已经进入民主政治时代,但是让人有一个基本满意的真正的民主政治结构上的转型、完善,还需要更长的时间5年—10年—20年的转轨,必须有足够的耐心。 杨光斌认为,以人民代表大会为中心的法治体系法律机构是立法机构,权威还没有完全树立起来,这个时候搞民主选举,选举出来的权力,看起来是民主的,但是结果可能更好,也可能更坏,世界上这样的先例太多了。所以他觉得法治很重要。以人大为中心的法治结构完善起来以后,民主政治的到来才可能更有序、更稳定。“行政—法治—民主”的顺序对中国来说更现实。   相对于一人一票的民主,还有一种观点认为应该尽快完善对于权力的监督机制。杨光斌表示,不能搞三权分立,但是权力肯定是应当受到制约分散的,任何权力都不能集中于一个人、一个机构上。不过,监督可以纳入到法治的范畴之内,关键还是完善以人大为核心的法治制度。   现在社会舆论普遍认为改革已经到了深水区,到了一定要触及政治体制的时候,渐进的方式被大多数人接受的,但是到底多久算是渐进,杨光斌表示,理想主义地说,从现在算起,用5—8年时间,将行政体制改革做好。然后,再用10年左右时间完善法制,把以人大为核心的制度完善。再接下来是大举推动和完善民主政治,这大概需要20年。当然这个过程会有交叉,有些民主的步骤事实上已经启动了,中国政治中的民主要素已经不少了。   杨光斌的看法是中国已经进入民主政治时代,这个时代已经来临。但是让人有一个基本满意的真正的民主政治结构上的转型、完善,还需要更长的时间5年—10年—20年的转轨,必须有足够的耐心。 周天勇:中國擬用12年時間建立民主平台 周天勇說,中央擬定了一個12年計劃建立民主平台。資料圖   中評社香港10月15日電(記者 蘇楠編譯報道)中央黨校研究室副主任周天勇近日接受英國《每日電訊報》專訪時認為,在12年後,中國將基本完成政治與體制的改革。   周天勇在專訪裡說,“我們擬定了一個12年計劃來建立民主平台,在政府所有層面上,都將有公眾的民主參與。”他又預期,在政策制訂方面將有廣泛的公眾參與,譬如起草新法律。   周天勇是中央黨校研究室的副主任,中央黨校是中國培訓高層領導的最重要機構。   有人認為中國的政治體制改革的步伐已經停了下來,周天勇的評論似乎是要回應質疑。恰恰相反,他表示,政府決心進行改革,只是各部門之間仍有一些爭論。他提出,倘若要建立起一個“現代政府架構”,北京應將部委的數目減半至19個到21個之間。   周天勇又說,民間社會在中國將扮演一個重要的角色。“更多的非政府組織將出現,如商會、行業協會和其他社會團體。”   “人們不應跟隨傳統的思維。”他說,“我們應了解到政府應為人民和社會服務的。”他又認為,中國大陸向民主過渡,對兩岸的和平統一有利。   任何向民主的過渡大概都是緩慢的,中國已在超過66萬個村莊裡實行基層選舉,在較大城市如南京和廣州,近來也正開放更多重要的職位讓公眾參與,微小的改變跡象已經出現。

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Taiwan has been declaring the democracy for years. The results: some idiots want to be the independnet Taiwan to replace the Republic of China. Dream on!

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Change takes time. Only people who don't care or who wants to see us fail scream for rapid change.

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Democracy in Western Countries is largely based on the foundation of their legal systems. Law restricts people from unlawful freedoms, then allows people with limited Democracy. China needs to establish a fully healthy legal system and allow people reasonable freedoms. National election for one president is actually a political form which is absolutely welcomed in comparing with monarchial government. Actually, China now is not in a status of “Monarch”. After 20 years, with efficient legal systems, Chinese may feel more freedoms, an evolving result of Democracy. Human beings are born not to be free, but to adore and obey. YF

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a lot of Chinese under the monach for many generations don't fully understand what is the true democracy all about. In fact, the democracy, freedom is the flip side of law and order.Only the law impartially enforced by the justice; the freedom will be honored, the democracy will be prevailed accordingly. It is a long, hard work, to achieve the goal must be started with the eduaction......... the rules of the laws.

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中国发展现在还在暗中摸索前进,那就容易看到美国、西方以及资本主义的种种利弊,只要好好总结经验教训,发扬中国精神,继承中华文明的聪睿俊智,吸收西方文化精华,但要从西方文明的误导中解脱出来,就会前程似锦。 THOSE IDIOT JUST 应该刹住崇洋媚外与东施效颦的风气 ; ELSE JUST KICK THOSE LACK OF SELF CONFIDENT LOSERS SHOULD GET OUT CHINA!

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Legal system, Code of Laws, had been established in China for 4000+ years.. BUT, IT NEVER WAS INDEPENDED FROM THE RULER OF THE REGIME.... laws are made, administrated, by the ruler of the regime. THE KEY PHRASE IS ''INDEPENDENT LEGAL SYSTEM''.. not controlled by the rulers of the regime; with laws made by the citizens; applicable to both ruler as well as citizens... which is DEMOCRACY....

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原帖由 easthill 於 2009-1-1 09:15 發表 Legal system, Code of Laws, had been established in China for 4000+ years.. BUT, IT NEVER WAS INDEPENDED FROM THE RULER OF THE REGIME.... laws are made, administrated, by the ruler of the regime. T ...
SO TALKING ABOUT THE MICHIGAN GOVERNMENT WANTS TO GET PAY SO HE CAN APPOINT HIM/HER FOR THE SENATOR SEAT ? JUST ANOTHER IDIOT TALKING ABOUT DEMOCRACY JUST A SMALL GROUP TRY TO USE SO CALL FOR THEIR PEOPLE TO CONTROL THE INTEREST AND POWER THEN THEY ALWAYS BECOME CORRUPTED ; THAT HAPPEN EVERY WHERE IN THE WORLD , ANY POLITICS SYSTEM! JUST HAVE GOOD FOOD AND DRINK, HAPPY NEW YEARS

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re 8#.. I am not awared of there is any vacancy for US Senate from Michigan.. Do you mean Illinois? New York? Delaware? ..... Do you read news reports from USA? In where corruption of government officials number the most? In where government buildings are burned by roiters number the most? In where emigration of people number the most? ........

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原帖由 easthill 於 2009-1-1 11:43 發表 re 8#.. I am not awared of there is any vacancy for US Senate from Michigan.. Do you mean Illinois? New York? Delaware? ..... Do you read news reports from USA? In where corruption of government offi ...
IDIOT IS IDIOT. NEVER ENLIGHTENMENT ! TELL ME WHICH NATION WITHOUT CORRUPTION. DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COMPARE LARGE POPULATION VS SMALL POPULATION ? U ARE JUST LACK OF SELF CONFIDENT IDIOT AND BRAINLESS WORSHIP THE WEST THAT CLOG UR BRAIN AND DO NOT ABLE DISTINGUISH PROBLEMS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. I SAY EVEN DOGS ARE LOYAL TO THEIR MASTERS POOR OR RICH, U ARE WORST THAN DOGS SO JUST GO TO HAVE GOOD FOOD AND GOOD DRINK.

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A Good explanation about "freedown and democracy" to billions of stupid and foolish and under-educated Chinese.

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A slim dream for billions of Chinese

China always use "Change take time" as a good excuse to refuse making real changes. It already 30 years since eform started in 1978, what China really achive in its system plarform ? The answer is almost zero - nothing. Under the help of outside capital and technology from US, Japan, Europe country , Korea and Taiwan, China make huge trade suplus, this fool billions of Chinese to get a impression that dictotorship region like China is a no-bad platform. China government get more reasons from this to slow down real reform to scoop more money into their own pocket. Chian is more likely to corrupt internal from poor civilians revolution before it can achive meaningful political reform.

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To Author. Mr. Yang: You're an Idiot, Unknowledgeable and Stupid chinese. To # 6: I fully agree with you . I hope peoples: If you don't write a good english, please write chinese, also you're an chinese and readers are chinese.

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原帖由 Guest from 71.225.23.x 於 2009-1-1 19:21 發表 A Good explanation about "freedown and democracy" to billions of stupid and foolish and under-educated Chinese.
SO U IDIOT IS WELL EDUCATED? U KNOW ABOUT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ? POOR AND ONLY CAN SURF OUT GREAT CHINESE WEB TO SMELL OUR GREAT CHINESE FECES?

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这种观点还是比较赞同的,中国现在需要的是改良,而不是推倒重建。

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